Futures séries Star Trek : rumeurs et conjectures

mypreciousnico · 19-09-2011 23:25:06

Ah tiens, j'ignorais totalement cette proposition de JMS.

Même si je reste opposé sur le principe à un reboot total de la franchise (car comme je l'ai expliqué ailleurs, je ne considère pas la version de JJ comme un reboot complet mais plutôt un univers bis), je me demande vraimment ce qu'aurait pu donner Star Trek vu par JMS, sa science du scénario et des personnages au service de ST...probablement quelques chose de bon...

scorpius · 20-09-2011 00:00:30

Yrad : j'ai télécharger le fichier mais ma free box peu pas le lire
peux tu dans les grandes lignes me dire quels été les idées de JMS pour ce reboot ? mercis

yrad · 20-09-2011 01:54:21

En réponse à ta demande Scorpius, et comme il vaut toujours mieux s'adresser au bon dieu qu'à ses saints, voici ci-dessous la copie brute (sans mise en page ni illustration) du .pdf de J. Michael Straczynski :

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J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI & BRYCE ZABEL
Star Trek: Re-Boot the Universe
A Proposal For:
Re-Imagining the First Five Year Mission

STAR TREK
RE-IMAGINING THE FIRST FIVE-YEAR MISSION
Treatment Written by
J. Michael Straczynski & Bryce Zabel
From its debut on NBC in 1966 and through a variety of feature films and four subsequent
series, Star Trek is a science-fiction franchise of historic proportions. Over the course of its
history, some of the best and brightest minds in the industry have made substantial
contributions to its legacy, culminating in the current caretakers of the Trek universe who
have been on the job for nearly sixteen years. Like millions of other fans worldwide, we
appreciate what these talented men and women have accomplished and care passionately for
their work.
And yet…
There is trouble in the Trek Universe.
Re-Boot the Universe
Tokos Design Associates
Ratings have declined, demographics have stagnated, and it seems as if every few weeks a
new article asks “What’s Wrong with Star Trek?” or “Can Star Trek Be Saved?”
Every writer who’s been asked to pitch for one of the Star Trek series or features knows that
so many stories have been developed in the Star Trek universe that it has become
increasingly difficult to move something through the system. The three most common
responses are: it’s been done, it’s being done, or it would never be done.
Among both critics and fans, people who want the show to be a success, there is a collective
sense that the franchise is just not as exciting as it used to be.
Why? Are the wheels falling off the franchise?
And what can be done about it?

The Question
Have you ever made a copy of a copy of a copy, to the point where, after enough iterations,
the blurry words look like they were written on a 1947 Olympia typewriter with a bad
ribbon?
Over the decades, Star Trek has become so insular, so strictly defined, and placed so many
layers upon itself that some of the essence of what made us love it in the first place has been
lost. The all-too-reasonable desire to protect the franchise may now be the cause of its
stagnation.
Imagine buying a new Porsche and leaving it in the garage all the time, because if you take it
out on the road, it might get scratched. But that is exactly what’s happened to Star Trek.
The Porsche’s still clean and polished, but we’re driving around in a nice, reasonable family
car.
It’s time to throw caution to the wind and go out for a drive…a real drive…
The Answer
Although fan accusations of burn-out and story-repetition from the creative teams may be
part of the explanation, and certainly any team may need a time away after nearly sixteen
years at the helm, there’s a simpler answer at hand, one that need not paint these
accomplished people in any kind of negative light.
The best solution is to go back to the original and start again.
It’s time to re-boot the Star Trek Universe.
Concept
What we propose is not Star Trek: Another Generation, or Star Trek: A New Ship, or even
Star Trek: The Search for Plots. In other words, not a copy of a copy, or a distillation of a
variation.
We want to re-boot STAR TREK. The original. Pure and simple. The characters, universe
and situations that have attracted, and continue to attract, a worldwide audience. Re-set…
re-imagined… re-invigorated…
Imagine taking those characters, and using what we know now about the universe, and
combining it with the kind of storytelling that audiences of 2004 are used to seeing in

modern prime-time television. Hard-hitting. Exciting. Character-driven. Innovative. And
armed with the very latest EFX in support of our stories.
Start with the three best things in the Star Trek universe.
Kirk, Spock, McCoy.
Put them in the most durable concept ever created in sci-fi TV.
The five-year-mission.
Star Trek.
It is time to go boldly back to the original, the “classic,” re-born and re-tooled for a new
millennium, applying hard lessons and building in new thoughts that shake things up
creatively.
It’s time to take a real risk, to push the chips out into the center of table, to once again put
these incredible characters into play. Through their eyes, let’s see stories about the human
heart in conflict with itself…and let them express genuine conflict that can jeopardize lives
and friendships...and take them on a journey that will shake their view of the world and
universe in ways they could never have imagined...
... because if we don’t do these things, then what’s Star Trek for?
Everything Old Is New Again
Before we go any further, let’s answer the obvious question: Will the fans of the original
series (call it Star Trek: Classic) accept a new cast and series under the original Star Trek
banner?
The answer, we believe, is a firm and unequivocal “yes.”
Remember, for a moment, that the final episode of Star Trek: Classic aired less than six
weeks before humans first set foot on the moon. More than enough time has passed to
allow fans the luxury of considering new faces in familiar roles.
It’s been nearly two decades since the decision to launch Star Trek: The Next Generation
looked past the original Star Trek: Classic cast members. There was some criticism by fans,
but even those performers, loved and admired by many, would tell you that the audience
wouldn’t accept them in their earlier roles, nor would they likely want to tackle the rigors of
series production.
By 2004, the original cast had moved even further into semi-retirement, and one of the
pivotal three, DeForest Kelley, is no longer with us.

The infamous fan rebellion over the proposed “Star Fleet Academy” film, demanding the
original characters in the roles, is no longer a viable possibility. For the first time, the fans
are in a position to truly accept a new look at that series and those characters.
We ask Paramount to consider this chance, and seize that moment.
Because there’s a reason Star Trek: Classic worked. Not only did it convey a spirit of
adventure, of optimism, of genuine heroism, the characters it utilized could not possibly be
more iconic. They are classic, archetypal characters.
The warrior, the priest, the doctor...
Kirk
Spock
McCoy.
Kirk, led by his emotions, knowing that in the end, they are what makes us human, what has
pulled us across six thousand years of recorded history. A born leader who believes in
passion, who will do what he must to avoid a fight, but will never back away from one.
Spock, a split-personality, in denial of his human emotions, striving to hold on to the logic of
Vulcan stoicism. Competent, powerful, centered, but with a hint of loneliness at his core.
McCoy, the voice of wisdom, the healer, alternately humorous and cynical – the balance
point between Spock and Kirk. The friend and confessor who everyone wants in their life.
The three of them form the best and brightest in Starfleet. Intelligent, but not above
playful jokes and teasing at each other’s expense. Forged by common experience, three men
whose bonds of friendship grow stronger the further into the void they venture. That
friendship, that triumvirate, is the core of what made Star Trek: Classic work, and can make
the series come alive again as well.
Besides the above named “Big Three,” all of the established characters will be in the new
series, too.
Scotty
Sulu
Uhura
Chekov

Other new characters will be added as needed, of course. All part of the original series
philosophy of IDIC, or “Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations,” a celebration of our
differences, more applicable today than ever.
The key concept, though, is to re-cast the series using the original characters whenever
possible. This is hardly outrageous, but seems instead to be the logical next step in the
evolution of the franchise.
Let’s face facts: when they wanted to make feature film versions of “The Fugitive” and “The
Brady Bunch,” they didn’t tell stories about Richard Kimble’s brother, or the couple that
lived across the street from the Bradys. They stayed with what worked, with the core
characters who had won allegiance from generations of viewers but updated them with
modern sensibilities.
In the publishing world, the biggest success story in the comics industry today is Marvel’s
“Ultimate” line, which re-imagines and re-creates popular, established characters, and has
brought in new dollars and new fans.
Remember also that the famous super-heroes from comic books have been re-interpreted
with great success in features and television with many different actors in the roles.
Superman and Batman have been played by more than most and they’re still vibrant and in
demand.
Consider Superman’s continual morphing and re-invention on television alone: from the
straight-ahead George Reeves’ “Superman” to the romantic spin of “Lois & Clark” to the
coming-of-age story in “Smallville.” On this latest re-boot, fans were wary of the “no tights,
no flights” approach, but have ended up loving it.
Certain other characters like Wyatt Earp, Robin Hood, Billy the Kid, King Arthur and even
James Bond seem resilient enough for one incarnation after another, across the span of time.
There is no reason for Captain James T. Kirk, Mr. Spock, and Leonard “Bones” McCoy (and
Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, Uhura) to be held apart, like that Porsche in the garage. It’s time for
these wonderful characters to take their own place among these other icons.
And here’s how it can be done.
Creative Plan
We will start with a two-hour pilot that tells the story no one has ever seen: the
circumstances that lead Kirk and McCoy (friends before this) to meet Spock for the first
time. It will involve their discovery of a lost city on an uncharted world, nearly a million

years old, and their encounter with the race that built it, a race long sought after by every
civilized world for the tremendous advantages they could provide.
Along the way, we’ll learn how Kirk – the youngest Starship captain in the Federation – won
command of the Enterprise in the course of a battle with another race in pursuit of that
ancient mystery.
By the end of this pilot, Kirk, Spock and McCoy will be aboard the Federation’s Enterprise,
poised at the edge of known space, poised to explore the billions of stars inside our galaxy.
We will embrace, truly, the famous Captain’s Log from nearly four-decades ago.
“Space, the final &ontier. These are the voyages of the Starship
Enterprise, her five year mission: to seek out new worlds, and new
civilizations...to boldly go where no person has gone before...”
We will keep the classic silhouette of the Enterprise, but fit her out with a level of amazing
technology based on what the best and the brightest minds tell us the future will look like in
200 years. Tricorders and communicators were predicted by the original Trek and are
already upon us in GPS technology and cell phones. What new wonders can we predict for
the future knowing what we know now?
We will keep the history of the characters, but give them the full range of dramatic
possibilities that exist now, as opposed to the more rigid standards that existed in 1968.
More complex, adult relationships.
The action-oriented pilot will bring these characters together, form the friendship that is
the core of our series, and launch us into a voyage of discovery on a state-of-the-art starship.
As the Enterprise departs on our new five-year voyage, the tapestry of adventure and
discovery from those first three “classic” seasons will be interwoven into our own five-year
plan. This arc will allow us to blend what we know of the Trek universe and stories with new
tales, and a new dramatic imperative.
We will place a mystery at the very core of the Star Trek universe.
Creative: The Mystery Behind the Mission
As noted above and as established in television history, Kirk was the youngest starship
captain in the Federation...but what led to this? We know that the Enterprise was sent out
to explore where no human had gone before...but if you stop and think about it for a
moment, isn’t that an odd assignment...to take one of the finest ships in the fleet, give it to
the youngest captain in the Federation, and tell them to just go drive around and see what
they can find?

It’s peculiar...until you allow for the possibility that they were looking for something
specific...something they had to keep a secret even from the rest of the crew.
Had Kirk, Spock and McCoy stumbled upon something that could have a profound effect
on human history? Had they caught a glimpse of a new and previously unknown race a
million years ahead of mankind...a race whose secrets could elevate humanity to unparalleled
levels...a race that left its footprints on a hundred worlds where its touch had changed
evolution and led to civilization as we know it?
A race, long thought dead, but which our characters know is still out there
somewhere...waiting for us...waiting to see if its children can come and find it, there in the
darkness between the stars....
And there are others out there, also searching for this race...forces of darkness who may
view our activities with more than a little hostility.
One thing we will discover is that buried deep within the DNA of humans, Vulcans (even
Klingons) and other intelligent bi-pedal races is a mathematical code, something buried so
deep and of such complexity that it could not possibly have occurred by chance.
Someone or something put it there… an “artist’s signature” perhaps…
In the re-booted Star Trek universe, there is a “Prime Directive” but it is not about noninterference
in the matters of other races. This Prime Directive states simply that it is the
mission of the Starship Enterprise is to do whatever is necessary to find this long-lost race,
and discover the truth about the common origin of all life forms everywhere, the truth that
will unite a galaxy.
Who are we? Why are we here? Are we special? Are we tools? Cannon fodder? Or are we
being prepped for something...amazing?
Over the next five years, we’ll offer up the answers.
Creative: Series Issues
As stated earlier, Star Trek will “re-imagine” that first five year journey, building on the
existing character relationships, incorporating what we’ve learned about the future since the
original series as well as advances in filmmaking and storytelling.
By incorporating these elements into an overall story arc, our episodes will create the sense
that these explorations do not exist in a vacuum, that there’s a reason and a mystery behind
it all. Although our episodes will firmly stand alone, viewers will be rewarded for taking this
journey because what is learned in one episode will inform what comes later. We want them

to feel that they are on-board the Enterprise with the original crew, discovering the greater
story as they go.
By way of example, note that the original Enterprise never needed a holo-deck so that the
characters could have exciting adventures because there were more than enough adventures,
more than enough excitement, to be found in the real world they occupied every day. If you
need a holo-deck to make an interstellar starship on the bleeding edge of the unknown
interesting, something is seriously amiss.
So, in this new incarnation, if all you see is one episode, you get one really good story out of
it based on honest-to-God exploration in an unknown universe bristling with mystery and
adventure. If you watch several, you begin to see the larger storyline emerging out of the
shadows.
There will be a beginning, middle and end to this series. It will be exactly five seasons, with
each season equaling one year of their five year mission. The crew of the Enterprise will
leave in our pilot episode, and they will return five years later from their scientific and
security mission. If the studio or network wishes the series to continue after that, the
chronology of our story will note that they have completed their mission, then move the
franchise into new territory, or a new series.
An original narration from writer Samuel Peeples back in a 1965 draft of the first episode
said it very well:
“This is our galaxy – a gigantic cloud of suns and planets, in which our Earth is but a
pinpoint, one speck of dust. The galaxy is so vast that even traveling at mi)ions of miles
per hour it would sti) take mi)ions of years to cross through it. And yet, as incredible as
it seems, our galaxy is itself only one of untold bi)ions of other galaxies, separated by
voids of emptiness so vast that time, matter and energy may not even mean the same out
there.”
The stories we can tell in this series are as unlimited as the universe itself. We can mold and
shape what has gone before into a new story that will feel fresh and original and allow us to
make new discoveries.
We can also do something that the original Star Trek did to great success: purchase and
adapt short stories by leading SF writers. The original Trek made use of the creative work of
Richard Matheson, Robert Bloch, Harlan Ellison, Jerome Bixby, Fredric Brown, Norman
Spinrad and Theodore Sturgeon. They provided the stories behind some of Trek’s most
original, innovative episodes.

Now imagine a new Star Trek calling upon the talents of writers like Neil Gaiman, Stephen
King, Ray Bradbury, Dean Koontz, Michael Crichton, Anne Rice, Kurt Vonnegut, Anne
McCaffrey, and others.
Finding stories by these writers that would fit in the Star Trek universe and adapting them
would not only result in some terrific episodes, but would be excellent publicity for the
series.
But the longest journey begins with the first step… one taken by a triumvirate of friends, on
a classic tale of discovery and friendship. That relationship explains what made Star Trek:
Classic successful, and it is that primary relationship that we will service in the new series.
Creative: Continuity
While we will avail ourselves of anything and everything from the currently existing Star
Trek Universe that may assist us in this re-boot, we do not believe that this new Star Trek
should be heavily burdened with the “reverse-continuity” of the past. It will only perpetuate
the problem of painting creative teams into corners.
As noted earlier, the most elegant solution to continuity is to borrow from the experience of
the comic book community. Fans have accepted for years that other artists and writers are
continually creating alternative universes for classic characters. It’s become an established
part of the fun. So this proposal exists independently of the current Star Trek: Enterprise
series, and all that has preceded it.
Think of the following projects as “Universe A” in Star Trek:
✦ Star Trek: Classic
✦ Star Trek: The Next Generation
✦ Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
✦ Star Trek: Voyager
✦ Star Trek: Enterprise
✦ Star Trek: The Motion Picture
✦ Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn
✦ Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
✦ Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
✦ Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

✦ Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
✦ Star Trek: Generations
✦ Star Trek: First Contact
✦ Star Trek: Nemesis
What we propose today is “Universe B”, the unshackling of all the pent-up talent and ideas
that are precluded from expression by virtue of what has gone on before. This universe
begins again, in 2004, as simply:
Star Trek
If other series come after this, they will, in all likelihood, exist in this new “Universe B.”
That we reserve the right to make bold new interpretations does not mean that we will shun
all the good work and characters that exist before and after in the Star Trek timeline. We
may accept the vast majority of these decisions but simply change the way they happened.
A re-boot means a fresh start. That means not just new stories, but looking at our
continuity in new ways.
We know that a planet-eater was rampaging through space in Star Trek: Classic...but what if
we discover that the device was a left-over piece of warfare tech from the race our
characters are pursuing? Do they allow the planet-sized weapon to destroy a sparselypopulated
colony world if in doing so, they gain the time to get information that could save
billions of lives elsewhere?
We know that the Enterprise was once infested with tiny cute Tribbles piled three fight high
in some places...but what if they came equipped with an agenda, an attitude...and teeth?
We know that Scotty was constantly called upon to perform technical miracles and ably did
so...but what if Scotty was a female character (just an example!), proof positive that in the
future women equally excel in science and math?
Our point is simply this: the fun, the excitement and the passion of the re-boot is in the
imagining of the alternative.
No one can ever compete with Gene Roddenberry’s original series. We can, however, stand
on his shoulders and see things from a different point-of-view.
Creative: Laying Out Season One
Just for the sake of argument, imagine the following year-one breakdown of stories:

In our pilot, we deliver the story the fans never saw, the coming-together of Kirk, Spock and
McCoy...the handing-over of the Enterprise...the mystery behind the mission...the launch
into history.
Four or five episodes that build on this mystery, each with a stand-alone main plot but with
a B-plot that lays out the clues like bread-crumbs. These would be the equivalent to the socalled
“mythology” episodes which drove the “X-Files” series.
Four or five episodes where the source material comes from stories by major writers in the
science fiction and fantasy genre, adapted to teleplay by our writing staff.
Four or five episodes that re-imagine specific stories or events from the original series,
adapting teleplays from the original writers.
Filled-out by stand-alone episodes that place Kirk, Spock and McCoy in new adventures
filled with action, humor, strong characterization and dynamic storytelling.
A season finale which drops a huge clue into play, and forces the Enterprise to take a stand
putting its very existence on the line.
In this scenario, every episode becomes something that fans and critics will want to talk
about. Even if elements prove controversial, it will only fuel interest in where the series is
going. Web-sites will come alive again. TiVOs will be programmed. Conventions will
sizzle.
The audience that has gone away, or has become indifferent, will take notice of this new life.
And ratings will rise.
All of which brings us to…
The Coming Buzz
Mostly because there have now been four different series based on the Star Trek universe,
the media has grown jaded, greeting the news of each new series with consistently less
fervor and rising levels of skepticism.
But returning to the roots of Star Trek will change all that. It will rekindle a level of
excitement not seen since the debut of Star Trek: The Next Generation. It may even
surpass that launch.
Imagine for a moment the nationwide excitement as we look for the new Kirk, Spock and
McCoy, as well as the other characters. (“Search for Spock,” anyone?) As well as using
regular casting methods, we can open up a nationwide search, primarily for PR purposes.

We can even spread out the casting announcements to ramp up word of mouth over time, so
that by the date of the premiere, interest is at an all-time high.
Paramount couldn’t buy that kind of publicity. Fans not only will tolerate this, they will
revel in the sheer boldness of its spirit.
This new series will re-capture the chemistry which existed between these historic
characters, as it appeared on-screen, and as it translated to members of the viewing
audience. It will give the fans what they’ve always dreamed of. A chance to see those
wonderful, original characters done with the state-of-the-art talents available today.
Remember how thrilling it was to first hear the Captain’s Log and to let your mind wander
to what wonderful things would happen in that “five-year mission”? It can happen again.
Star Trek
Simple. Powerful. Accept No Imitations
The Team
The credits for J. Michael Straczynski (“Babylon 5”, “Jeremiah”, “The Twilight Zone”) and
Bryce Zabel (“Dark Skies”, “Lois & Clark”, “The Crow”) establish them as key players in the
world of television science-fiction. Between them, they have received eight WGA “created
by” or “developed by” credits for series they have originated.
“Babylon 5,” created by Straczynski, without the benefit of known source material, was the
first American science fiction space series outside of “Star Trek” to go more than three
seasons in over thirty years, and has become a franchise for Warner Bros., inclusive of a new
“B5” feature film slated to go into production soon. His work earned him two of the
prestigious Hugo Awards. In addition to his screen work, Straczynski currently writes “The
Amazing Spider-Man” for Marvel Comics.
Besides creating the NBC alien invasion series, “Dark Skies,” Zabel has also been involved
in several successful adaptations of original sci-fi material to TV series, notably “Lois &
Clark” and “The Crow.” His work has been nominated by the WGA, and has won four
Gemini Awards for “Outstanding Drama Series.” His UFO film, “Official Denial”, was the
Sci-Fi Channel’s first original film. Coming off a recent two-year stint as Chairman of the
Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, Zabel is currently adapting the original book of
“The Poseidon Adventure” as a four-hour mini-series for network TV.
They are no strangers to the world of five-year plans. Straczynski created one such
comprehensive arc for “Babylon 5” as did Zabel for “Dark Skies” – before either series
began.

Both Straczynski and Zabel have worked hard to include fans in their previous sciencefiction
series, and will take the time and effort to bring them aboard this new incarnation.
Design by Tokos Design Associates
Star Trek: Re-Boot the Universe, Straczynski & Zabel, 2004
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Buckaroo · 20-09-2011 14:30:28

JMS a écrit :

Now imagine a new Star Trek calling upon the talents of writers like Neil Gaiman, Stephen
King, Ray Bradbury, Dean Koontz, Michael Crichton, Anne Rice, Kurt Vonnegut, Anne
McCaffrey, and others.

Génial !!.. Ce qu'oubli ce cher Michael, c'est que Star Trek malgré ces beaux auteurs de prestige ( idée piqué au passage à Rod Sterling ) , chacun de leur "fabuleux script" était ré-écrit , formaté par Roddenberry pour devenir du Star Trek. La version initiale de " The City On The Edge Of Forever" est bien plus cru et désespéré que le résultat final ( Mc Coy y est un junkie !!!! ). On sait que Harlan Elison rafolle de ce qu'ils ont fait de son script. roll

J'ai tout dans le pitch, de JMS , sauf l'humour , le sens de la fable & du merveilleux de La Série Originale.

Yrad a écrit :

J'ai beau être en soi hostile au concept même de reboot (a fortiori pour les univers disposant de la continuité et de la force d'incarnation de ST), je dois à la simple honnêteté de reconnaître que le projet de JMS avait une toute autre ambition créative & assise intellectuelle que celui d'A&O&K.
Mais bon, rien d'étonnant : Babylon 5 d'un côté, Transformers de l'autre. Tout est dit.

Non tu n'as pas tout dit : JMS , c'est aussi Les Maîtres de l' Univers , Captain Power , Jayce et les conquérant de la lumières et Ninja Assasin.. Que du lourd ! wink

mypreciousnico · 20-09-2011 15:00:17

Buckaroo a écrit :

Yrad a écrit :
J'ai beau être en soi hostile au concept même de reboot (a fortiori pour les univers disposant de la continuité et de la force d'incarnation de ST), je dois à la simple honnêteté de reconnaître que le projet de JMS avait une toute autre ambition créative & assise intellectuelle que celui d'A&O&K.
Mais bon, rien d'étonnant : Babylon 5 d'un côté, Transformers de l'autre. Tout est dit.
Non tu n'as pas tout dit : JMS , c'est aussi Les Maîtres de l' Univers , Captain Power , Jayce et les conquérant de la lumières et Ninja Assasin.. Que du lourd !

En général juste quelques scénarios pour chacun de ces exemples. Il a aussi signé plusieurs scénarios d'Arabesque (qui est une bonne série policière pour moi) de Jeremiah que je n'ai pas vu et de la 5ème dimension... Sinon je ne trouve pas que "Jayce" soit particulièrement honteux même si ça a beaucoup vieillis et j'ai bien aimé "Ninja Assasin"

Non, ce qui me gène vraimment dans la proposition de JMS (que j'avoue n'avoir lu qu'en diagonale à ce stade^^) c'est purement le concept de reboot.
Je suis persuadé qu'avec sa science du scénario JMS aurait pu faire quelques chose de grand sur Star Trek mais sans passer par la case Reboot.

scorpius · 20-09-2011 16:05:51

Yrad mercis encore j'espere juste que t'as pas eu à tout recopier

yrad · 20-09-2011 17:55:21

Buckaroo a écrit :

Génial !!.. Ce qu'oubli ce cher Michael, c'est que Star Trek malgré ces beaux auteurs de prestige ( idée piqué au passage à Rod Sterling ) , chacun de leur "fabuleux script" était ré-écrit , formaté par Roddenberry pour devenir du Star Trek. La version initiale de " The City On The Edge Of Forever" est bien plus cru et désespéré que le résultat final ( Mc Coy y est un junkie !!!! ). On sait que Harlan Elison rafolle de ce qu'ils ont fait de son script.

Tu sais, ce n'est pas ce dont Gene Roddenberry peut être le plus fier ! Ses perpétuelles réécritures ont généralement lissé et affadi les scenarii originaux, et Gene s'est progressivement mis à dos quasiment tous les auteurs de SF littéraire qu'il a fait venir dans ST TOS. Si Gene Roddenberry est resté ami avec Isaac Asimov, c'est parce que ce dernier n'a jamais commis "l'erreur" d'écrire pour Star Trek.

Impossible que JMS ignore tout ça (pour info, il a longtemps bossé avec Harlan Ellison… alors il est bien placé pour savoir…).
Mais c'est probablement par respect pour Gene & ST TOS que JMS a préféré ne pas évoquer ces "dessous"-là dans la présentation de son projet. Son but étant de légitimer le principe de la contribution maximale des auteurs littéraires, comme il en donna d'ailleurs l'exemple dans Babylon 5 (en impliquant justement Harlan Ellison ainsi que Neil Gaiman), et comme le fit de son côté Rick Berman dans la saison 4 de ST ENT (avec Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens).

yrad · 20-09-2011 18:00:36

mypreciousnico a écrit :

Non, ce qui me gène vraimment dans la proposition de JMS (que j'avoue n'avoir lu qu'en diagonale à ce stade^^) c'est purement le concept de reboot.
Je suis persuadé qu'avec sa science du scénario JMS aurait pu faire quelques chose de grand sur Star Trek mais sans passer par la case Reboot.

Bien entendu.
Mais c'est la réaction pharisienne des trekkers à l'encontre de ST Enterprise - ils voyaient partout des violations du Canon et de la continuité (alors qu'il n'y en avait objectivement aucune) - qui a popularisé l'idée du reboot chez les auteurs. JMS ne fit pas exception, surtout qu'il est d'une "culture comics" (qui se nourrit de reboots).
Même RDM et Brannon Braga étaient progressivement devenus partisans du reboot ! Brannon Braga en avait tellement marre de s'entendre dire qu'il ne respectait pas le Canon (alors que le Canon était pourtant sa première obsession), qu'il était lui-même devenu désireux de balancer un bon gros reboot à la gueule les trekkers jamais satisfaits.
La Paramount a probablement dû considérer que la "solution" de JJ Abrams était un "moindre mal" dans le registre du reboot. Et il m'arrive moi-même à certains moments d'égarement de me dire que, en dépit de sa nullité, ST 2009 est peut-être un moindre mal par rapport à un VÉRITABLE reboot (c’est-à-dire un reboot non assumé dans l'in-universe trekkien).

Il semblerait que le seul auteur-producteur à n'avoir jamais voulu de reboot, c'est Rick Berman. Et je lui en sais gré. smile

yrad · 20-09-2011 18:04:08

A propos de JMS, suite dans son topic.

yrad · 20-09-2011 18:05:10

scorpius a écrit :

Yrad mercis encore j'espere juste que t'as pas eu à tout recopier

Non, non. Ce fut un simple copié-collé : 10 secondes montre en main ! wink

scorpius · 22-09-2011 18:18:25

A noter que Orci & Kurtzman ont annoncer leur envie d'un dessin animé Star Trek
Qui sait l'animation leurs conviendras peut etre mieux ?

yrad · 06-02-2012 20:33:01

Nouvelle visite du serpent de mer : http://trekmovie.com/2012/02/03/bryan-f ? k-tv-show/

scorpius · 06-02-2012 20:44:22

Putain...j'adore Pushing Daisies de Fuller et son retour sur Heroes avait fait du bien au show !
Quand à Singer joy
Mais bon, visiblement une série Trek n'est pas dans les plans de CBS sad

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IMZADI · 06-02-2012 20:56:50

yrad a écrit :

Nouvelle visite du serpent de mer : http://trekmovie.com/2012/02/03/bryan-f ? k-tv-show/

VO VF, dual là suis pour la VF ! un résumé please !

scorpius · 06-02-2012 21:05:04

IMZADI a écrit :

VO VF, là suis pour la VF ! un résumé please !

En gros : depius des années Singer & Fuller ont développer chacun de leur coté leur propre série Star Trek
mais depuis qu'ils travaillent ensemble sur le reboot de la série les monstres
Ils ont décider de mettre leurs idées en commun pour développer une série Star Trek à 2...
Mais d'aprés l'article, pas avant la fin de la trilogie Abrams...voir jamais sad

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mypreciousnico · 06-02-2012 21:27:59

Tain n’empêche, ça fait bien rêver ce duo smile

IMZADI · 06-02-2012 21:49:28

scorpius a écrit :

IMZADI a écrit :
VO VF, là suis pour la VF ! un résumé please !
En gros : depius des années Singer & Fuller ont développer chacun de leur coté leur propre série Star Trek
mais depuis qu'ils travaillent ensemble sur le reboot de la série les monstres
Ils ont décider de mettre leurs idées en commun pour développer une série Star Trek à 2...
Mais d'aprés l'article, pas avant la fin de la trilogie Abrams...voir jamais

merci ! c'est évident que JJ Abrams passera avant !

yrad · 06-02-2012 22:00:36

Le sondage à la fin de l'article est pour le moins révélateur (surtout qu'il totalise un peu plus de votants que le PSTF mdr ) :

Manifestement, tout Américains qu'ils soient (en majorité), ces trekkers sont bien davantage attachés à l'univers originel (48%) qu'au micro-univers de JJ Abrams (18%).
Et pourtant, la Paramount a vraiment déployé tous ses appâts (ciné, romans, comics, jeux...) pour imposer l'univers du reboot...

Comme quoi, la dialectique de Buckaroo ne se vérifie pas du tout...

scorpius · 06-02-2012 22:22:34

Il faut croire que mis à part Buckaroo, la plupart des Trekkers n'ont pas perdu la raison lol

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Vic Fontaine · 07-02-2012 11:31:29

Chère positrone, je ne serais aucunement inquiète à ta place !
JJ ne fera jamais de série TV Star Trek. Pas assez rentable, trop exposé au risque de l'audimat, et puis surtout parce qu'il sautera sur un "nouveau concept" dès après avoir achevé sa trilogie-massacre....

Buckaroo · 07-02-2012 15:26:18

yrad a écrit :

Manifestement, tout Américains qu'ils soient (en majorité), ces trekkers sont bien davantage attachés à l'univers originel (48%) qu'au micro-univers de JJ Abrams (18%).
...Comme quoi, la dialectique de Buckaroo ne se vérifie pas du tout...

Je suis attaché à l'univers originel, mieux encore à l'origine de l'univers original !..là n'est pas la question..

Oui a titre perso:
Le continuer pourquoi? Pour le faire vieillir avec moi ? Pour le faire mourir avec moi ? Rajouter plus couche sur la Joconde alors que De Vinci & ses éleves sont mort ? Transformer Star Trek en un interminable Space soap opéra : Gloire, Amour et Star Trek ?!!
Ras le bol du simulacre du simulacre du simulacre du simulacre !
( traduction: ST the next next next next génération )
Ras le bol que Star Trek à force d'extension, se renie à petit feu pour le meilleur du pire ( DS9/ First Contact) ou pour le pire tout court ( Voyager/ Nemesis )..
A titre perso je le rapelle. Ces propos n'engage que moi.

Plus que le résultat de ce sondage, ce sont les commentaires derrière qui sont le plus intéressant. Il dénote une espéce de nostalgie malsaine , de conservatisme déplacé.. On veut que cela continue, mais que l'on s'éloigne pas trop de TNG .. Ah l'ère Post Nemesis/ Voyager ! Ce film , cette série magnifique que les fans vénérent ,aiment tant & tant .. Quand je vous dis que le Trekker est une créature schizophrénique. whistling

Prenez donc garde que vos rêves ne deviennent réalité, prenez garde que ce rêve d'extension à n'en plus finir n'emporte votre précieuse TNG dans son désir de grandeur.
La désillusion vous guettera plus forte , plus amère dans cette DMZ de Star Trek qu'elle ne vous a eut avec le simulacre de Jeffrey Jacob.

Personnellement j'ai voté Don't care just want ( very good) Trek TV... C'est moi qui ait rajouté "very good" , je ne veux pas perdre mon temps avec une nouvelle série qui soit juste moyenne, bonne ou tiède. Une série qui me rabâchent les choses, qui soit ennuyeuse à mourrir.. En réalité , je me fous dans quel univers ou elle se situe.. Je veux de la "très bonne série" Trek.. Quitte à ce qu'on ait les couilles de pulvériser Vulcain dans le prime universe, tordre le cou à la chronologie ou que les Holo programmes virent Cylons.. du moment que c'est de la "très bonne série Trek" avant tout.

IMZADI · 07-02-2012 19:06:01

pour le sondage sur l'article tout le monde peut voter, il n'y a pas que les étatsuniens... moi c'est fait

scorpius · 08-02-2012 13:20:50

Voici ce qu'aurait put étre l'équipage de l'Enterprise au 30éme Siécle dans le ST : Fédération de Bryan Singer :

Captain Alden Montgomery : Un humain décrit comme "l'officier de Starfleet exemplaire" il aurait trouver la mort dans
l'épisode pilote (ainsi que son second) laissant le commandement de l'Enterprise au...

Commander Alexander Kirk : Réintégrer à Starfleet pour les besoins de la nouvelle mission de l'Enterprise, il est décrit comme un homme
ayant un "lourd passé" et des "maniéres agressives"...lui seul posséde des informations vitales sur la vraie mission de l'Enterprise.

Lt Cmdr : Chel Forlaan (security chief) Une femme Ektosi (une espéce féline) elle est décrite comme ayant la grace d'un félin.
Tout comme les Klingons elle vient d'une culture guerriére et aurait une "grande curiosité pour les chose la dépassant"

Lt Cmdr : Sergei Kenyatta (com & Political officer) Un humain génètiquement modifié de Proxima du Centaure, il est décrit comme un génie
en math, langues, technologie et diplomatie, cependant il lutte contre des problémes d'ordres relationels

The 76th Distillation of Blue alias Diz (chief Engineer) Un membre d'une espéce gazeuse venant de la géante gazeuse Penumbra
Il utilise une "combinaison" pour intéragir avec le reste de l'univers "solide". Il est décrit (lorsqu'il est dans sa combinaison) comme un splendide
male humanoide, mais il serait aussi apparu sous sa forme gazeuse.

Dr Felicity Chen : Une humaine cybernétiquement amélioré avec une technologie Borg (désormais rendu inoffensive)
Elle utilise sa technologie Borg à des fins médicales.

M.A.J.E.L (Multitronic Architecture Junction/Interactive Energetic Library) L'ordinateur "sensitif" de l'Enterprise qui gére le vaisseau
et à sa propre personnalité ainsi que des émotions...
(Un superbe hommage...)

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scorpius · 08-02-2012 13:53:22

Et voici le synopsis de ST : Fédération :

A une période sombre et dangeureuse pour la fédération et ses idéaux-décrit comme une allégorie de "la cute de l'empire romain"- Starfleet
est réduit à n'étre qu'une simple "flotte pacificatrice" assurant la protection de ses mondes et évitant qu'ils s'affrontent entre eux, le tout avec
seulement des vaisseaux dépassés...Suite à l'émergeance d'un nouvel et mystérieux ennemie "The Scourge"
Starfleet commence la construction d'un nouvel Enterprise-le premier depuis 300 ans - aux yeux de tous sa mission sera l'exploration, mais
sa véritable mission sera d'enquéter sur "The Scourge" afin de sauver ce qu'il reste de la fédération...

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hm13 · 08-02-2012 14:37:22

intéressant...

mais après c'est tout dépend ce qu'on en fait... une bonne série ce sont aussi des scénarios bien travaillés et des acteurs bien choisis, et on peut obtenir quelque chose qui tient la route...

ULTIME FRONTIÈRE

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